Every week the husband and I enjoy a little dinner and a movie once the children FINALLY leave us alone - UH I mean, rest their angelic little heads in bed. Usually, we will try and find a movie that is both completely new and not appropriate for tiny people. Well, this week plans changed! Upon hearing that Pixar would be releasing a second installment of the AMAZING Incredibles movie, we absolutely had to watch the first film again. After enjoying the super adventures of the exceptional Parr family once more, we had a ton to talk about! So, we decided to share that discussion with our readers. Oh yeah! I failed to mention my partner in life is also a fellow blogger. Reidnwrite.com is the awesome personal blog manned (get it because he is my man.... hilarious) by the awesome guy I call : "Hey you, come get your kids before I lose my entire mind!"
So without further adiue I present to you (yeah, you) Kids with Children and Reid N Write's very first
DATE NIGHT MOVIE.....
Reid N Write:
We have watched The Incredibles together 500 times, it seems. I saw it when it first came out, I loved it then because it was entertaining and Dash is a star! But now, I can see the commentary and underlying themes of the film that make it pertinent to my life. There is a huge difference between now and 2004? I have a family now. Their marriage; their parenting style; the way they interact with their peers have a greater impact on me now.
We have watched The Incredibles together 500 times, it seems. I saw it when it first came out, I loved it then because it was entertaining and Dash is a star! But now, I can see the commentary and underlying themes of the film that make it pertinent to my life. There is a huge difference between now and 2004? I have a family now. Their marriage; their parenting style; the way they interact with their peers have a greater impact on me now.
Kids With Children:
I absolutely ADORE this film. I always have, but you are so
right - you see it in a completely different light once you've become an adult.
It isn't just a fun cartoon, there are some heavy themes that flew right over
my head. Their relationship was the first thing that stood out to me this time.
Marriage isn't always easy but Bob and Helen Parr ( formerly Mr. Incredible and
Elastagirl) were experiencing a kind of “rough patch” if you will. When I first
watched it I didn't notice. I even wanted their relationship! Now, that I have
a spouse and a family of my own you notice little signs of trouble in paradise.
What do you think the major issue was?
RNW
I think their marriage was lacking passion because of Bob Parr’s
desire to relive or continue his role as a superhero. He couldn't find a
substitution for the thrill of "the rescue". He felt as if he was being
forced to behave as if he was not exceptional. This in turn created disconnect
between Bob and his family.
Helen expressed similar feelings, but once her and Bob
decided to be a family she expected his full commitment to the process. Helen
was trying her best to express to Bob how appreciative she was of his
sacrifices.
KWC
Bob was completely preoccupied with his disdain for leading
a “normal” life. Listen, it is understandable that he was miserable working that
crappy job as an insurance agent. His job was basically eat sh*t, deny claims to people in need and well - die. He not only had to be average but he had to
be the bad guy.
He was carrying it. He wasn't communicating. He was not actively participating in raising the children because he was, well- depressed.Helen on the other hand, had taken to blending in simply
because she was committed to protecting her family as opposed to fighting to
save a world that wasn't welcoming of their gifts. She had taken on the role of
maintaining a stable home life. She had three very important lives to protect.
I think
the main problem was their priorities were different. I think he saw himself as
Mr. Incredible and she saw herself as Mrs. Bob Parr. Being a mom made Helen feel more powerful than being Elastagirl ever did. He wanted her to be who
they were before and she wanted him to commit to the family they had become.
RNW
Well, the problem with that is communication, which is common
in relationships (I would assume). Bob agreed to start a family with Helen. I
think its unfair that she would ever have to go back and explain to him by
saying something like “Hey, Bob, you agreed to co-parent, not be a sperm donor.
Tighten it up” because that's a part of
the agreement. Bob was completely ignoring his family. Him being enamored by Dash’s super speed was only interaction he
had with his kids. He was being neglectful towards his children because he was
associating them with the mediocrity.
KWC
Communication was a HUGE issue. I mean, Bob literally hid the
fact that he was being a superhero again! He was actively participating in THAT
part of his life and not giving as much dedication to his home life. This dude, starts working out and taking better care of himself - he even threw
Helen a make out session or two. But he was only motivated by what made HIM
happy. He never decided to improve his attitude about his life for his wife and
kids. Oh! and not to mention his decision not to communicate created serious
doubt for Helen. She thought he was having an affair! She had no idea what (or
who) he was doing. He left his wife to draw her own conclusions. Since you can
only “assume” communication is a common issue in relationships (cough) ,what aspects of
Helen and Bob’s relationship can you relate to?
RNW
Well, of course I feel like a superhero all the time, but
communication is always a huge thing with me. Talking out loud is awkward when
it requires that I speak about myself.
I am an observer. I talk in bursts. So,
if I speak and you, my spouse (the person I talk to and open up to most
frequently) and you do not immediately understand, I feel like I have failed as a
communicator. As a result, I began to assess my entire life up until that point - completely on my own. So, I understand Bob’s sentiment, but I have to admit, that the both of us handled these situations incorrectly.
KWC
As far as communication goes, I am your polar opposite. I am
a talker. I speak up immediately when I have an issue. I also am like a wild
animal when it comes to protecting my family. So, I understand Helen’s stance.
The “argument” scene between the two of them stands out the most to me. He was
trying to get her to understand his frustrations while she was trying to help him understand her desire to protect their family from being exposed. It isn't always easy
have big dreams AND a family, but I
think all your family wants is for you to acknowledge them in the process.
Sometimes, I have blinders on and I am so focused on doing more for the world I
am forgetting to include the people who are most important. Bob isn't wrong for
wanting to be exceptional. I think most of us can relate to that. He just
needed to realize when you put family first they will never allow to be less
than your best.
You brought up a good point about Bob’s interaction with the
children, or should I say lack thereof. I will say this, I do not think he was
intentionally avoiding the children, I think he, as we said before, needed to
give a little more. In all fairness though, he was working full time and Helen
was the stay at home parent. She had taken
over the responsibility of the home and the children. Now, trust me, that is no easy task, but you get more hands on time/experience dealing with child rearing. I felt for her in her
attempts to include him in the process of raising the kids, but I also “get”
why he felt the need to keep his distance. I think he was holding a grudge. He
expressed his desire for Dash to participate in team sports. He wanted him to
be able to live up to his full potential; to have the opportunity to be great.
I will admit he was being a huge brat when decided not to attend Dash’s
graduation. People disagree on how to raise their children all the time, but
the children should never be pawns in your quest to prove a point to your
spouse.
You also made an interesting point about the difference
between Bob’s relationship with his son versus his relationship with his
daughter. Do you think it is one of those classic double standards? Or is it just
easier for him to relate to Dash?
RNW
First, I think you’re right, his actions towards his children
were under the manipulation of his subconscious. The relationship with the kids and Helen was just a product of her being the head of the household and him
being the provider and protector. He was her support in the house because she
made the rules. He didn't make the rules at work or at home, he was just a
pushover with the built in ability to move mountains. Not to completely fanboy
out but -
KWC
Are you about to quote Thor?
RNW
Yes, but Thor says in God of Thunder #17 (I believe) something about having the ability to move mountains and being told that you can not solve the
problem makes no sense. I assume Bob feels similarly in his situation. He
has nowhere to flex his muscles. He is just a pushover. Him snapping and beating the living crap out of his boss was inevitable.
Also, yes I think this is a double standard. Dash
is encouraged by his father to be the fastest because a boy would be rewarded for
this.
He never speaks of Violet’s powers because its not going to be beneficial
to her to be a powerful woman. I know this is a children’s film, but it’s there.
It’s written either in the subconscious of the writer or built into Bob as a
character. Violet’s power was necessary first and she couldn't use it because
she was taught only to suppress her ability. Dash was given encouragement by
his dad. In turn, when he was called upon to use his ability he was capable. That was
the manifestation of the process.
KWC
Your new found sense of feminism is kinda hot. I never thought
about it that way. Perhaps, like you said that was a subconscious thing the
writer did. Or maybe he based their differences off of normal stereotypes: precocious little boy vs. angst ridden, boy
crazy teenager. Remember the dinner table scene? “Why isn't anyone in this
family normal?!” Violet screamed. I was a teen aged girl once (shocking, I know)
and being normal IS what is considered “cool”. Being different isn't something
that is celebrated in your adolescence.
Either way, you get a ton of brownie points from me for
trying to see things from a girl’s perspective. I would kiss you but I worry
you would be thinking of Thor.
RNW
I like it that you dig my feminism. I find it incredible that
women feel the need to submit to their men, I guess that’s to play towards the
average man’s need to compensation or some sort of ego stroking.
I digress. Bob supported Dash's passion. Bob encouraged Dash to be super. Helen always had this lingering worry
that that would consume him, disallowing him the opportunity to be normal. They
were forced to be regular. There were consequences for them being Super. I
think that’s one of the things that’s lost on Bob. You can’t push the kids to
be super, because there will be consequences.
I know one of the things we discuss when we watch the movie is the fact that everyone needs an Edna Mode. The former super-suit seamstress turned fashion maven. She was a huge supporter of supers.
Edna supported Bob and Helen's dreams and in turn was feeding her own.
She is the character I am most similar to because if I am in it, I will give my
all and then some for you to be your best. This is why I am very selective about the
people that I allow into my life. I become invested.
She cared enough about the
people she worked with to prepare their attire in a way that was conducive to
their skill-set. That’s being invested. She was the one that encouraged Helen
to be see for herself what Bob was doing. She knew Bob wasn't cheating, but she
wanted her to stop drowning herself in her home life enough to understand him
and also stop being so dismissive of everything that wasn't her children.
That’s an extremely complex role for someone that got so little screen time. "E" was the guiding light helping them repair their communication problems.
So you can relate to E, huh? My, isn't your self esteem
high! I honestly thought now that I am a mother, I could relate to Helen more,
but 10 years later I still see myself in Violet.
I am insecure about my
abilities. Quite often I wish I just wanted “normal” things. It seems so
simple. I never want to be in a situation where I fail and my skills aren't
enough. I felt her pain when she was unable create a force field to protect her mother and brother. Been there. I have on more than one occasion let fear cripple
me and leave unable to get the job done.
I agree that Edna played a huge part in helping the Parr’s
reclaim their position as Supers. She was aware of their abilities and had
complete and total faith both their powers and the strength of their union. She
wouldn't even allow them to refer to themselves as anything other than
Elastagirl and Mr. Incredible in her presence! Her pushiness- er I mean,
PERSISTENCE paid off big time in the end. For the Parr family AND the world.
Look at you opening up to the world. Your fear works well
with my mindset that I can do absolutely anything. I am a firm believer that I
am so much of a perfectionist, that I needed the nonchalant-carefree
combination bestowed upon me by Autism and ADHD in order to properly function!
But, Yes, Edna was their connection to the good old days.
Bob spent a large portion of his time longing for the past. Edna only wanted
that part of their lives. It powered her dreams. I have a difficult time
referring back to people from my past because its so much different than my
current existence.
I wish I had a Frozone- Bob's best friend and fellow Super. Someone that would be in the here
and now, the present, and the future. It would be ideal. I feel like we have
that. We drift into conversations frequently about the past, but we come back.
I need a few friends to hangout with for when your ass decides to make friends,
finally. I refuse to be the husband at home wishing they had friends because no
one else can let go of the past.
I feel pretentious even writing that, but hey,
my truth right? Helen had to forget it, Bob couldn't let go of it. It was a
natural conflict. Then, of course, there is the theme of time, holding on to
your past is a way not maintain your youth.
I tend to believe athletes and
actors maintain their youth the longest because they manage to continue doing
things that we all associate with our youth. How awesome would it be to be a
superhero or create a cartoon? We would be forever young then, right? We would all be Jane Fonda. Holding on to
your youth beats the hell out of holding grudges and growing up vengeful like
Buddy did though, right? He could have easily learned from his past and used it to motivate him to do something positive. Is it a difference in personalities that makes someone choose to become vengeful versus using their past to make something valuable?
I am not completely sure. Personality may play a part in how you cope with a hurtful past. Buddy felt as if he was excluded from
Mr. Incredible’s valiant past. He wanted more than anything to be “Incrediboy”
Mr. Incredible’s side-kick. We all know his denied request to assist his
favorite hero was warranted. I mean, c’mon kid. “ You could get hurt”. Buddy
over time felt like the only way he could be exceptional was to fabricate the
skills of others and use his new found power to harm the very people he wanted
so badly to be.
The past was a still motivator for him, but he was using to fuel his
negativity. He felt excluded, I am sure that hurt. If you do not chose to move on from being hurt, it can quickly manifest as rage.He wasn't given the support he begged for. So, in his situation it
is less about personality and more about what your past entails. It is easy for Mr. Incredible to look back on his past fondly; his dreams of recreating it are
understandable - he was considered amazing at that point in time. Those were happy times for him. But if like Buddy, the past
made you feel unhappy, unwanted and/or unimportant you want to recreate it
simply to prove to whomever hurt you that you have taken your power
back.
While I understand the desire for revenge, I know for a fact that it will
not end well for you. Even if I hadn't learn that fact on my own… Buddy for
sure is a suitable cautionary tale!
As I said earlier, I never noticed any of this ten years ago. I had yet to experience raising a family and/or being a part of a committed relationship. One thing about this movie has remained the same. It is a great depiction of the power of love and family. You enter the Parr's household during trying times, and you get to witness these people learning, fighting, growing and being extraordinary AS A TEAM. This movie is indeed a classic. I love it that I can enjoy it with my children and also watch for the 10,000 time over beers with my spouse. Their story is universal. When you take a spouse, when you raise children, you are deciding to give your best to a group of people. You are committing to not only your dreams and aspirations but to being a key player in the accomplishments of your loved ones. When your loved ones are exceptional, so are you. Isn't that incredible?
Seldom am I excited about the prospect of a movie sequel, but I am super stoked about seeing the Parr's on the big screen once again. I wonder what lies ahead for our favorite superhero family? Will Bob and Helen be better communicators? Does Violet feel more confident about her powers? Is Dash still participating in athletics? Will they ever find Jack Jack a new sitter?
I appreciate the help from my fellow blogger, co-parent and "LOVAH", ReidnWrite.com. I look forward to many more date night movies, tons more joint articles and maybe a tiny it less of your oddly placed Thor references.
